Here’s my full interview with Mike Rowe. We discuss a range of topics from lockdowns to why college is often a waste of money.

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You’ve heard the mantra “safety first.”

Politicians use it as the justification for Covid lockdowns.

Mike Rowe, former host of "Dirty Jobs”, has his own slogan: “safety third.”

Why “safety third?” It’s easy to save lives, says Rowe, but LIVING life is more important.

I made a couple of short videos with Rowe.

But he has a lot of other interesting things to say.

So here is our full interview.