It all begins with a sea creature—a snail called a conch—and the mathematically perfect spiral it transforms into a home, which we humans then put to our lips and play like a trumpet. Throughout time and cultures, conch shells have been used to communicate across great distances, from signaling on the battlefield to connecting with the divine. Hear stories about a jazz musician who plays the conch to connect with his ancestors, why a sacred Incan site way up in the Andes became a ceremonial conch concert hall, and how a conch shell made its way from the depths of the ocean to echoing through the Great Hall of The Met.

This podcast episode was first released July 6, 2022.

Immaterial season 2 launches May 21, 2024.

Featured object:

Conch Shell Trumpet, late 19th century. Vanuatu, Melanesian: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...

Guests:

Bradley Strauchen-Scherer, curator, Musical Instruments, The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Markus Sesko, associate curator of Asian arms and armor, Arms and Armor, The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Steve Turre, master jazz trombonist and seashellist

Jim Waterman, founder and owner of Shell World

Miriam A. Kolar, scholar of archaeoacoustics and lead investigator for the Chavín de Huántar Archaeological Acoustics Project

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Immaterial is produced by The Metropolitan Museum of Art and Magnificent Noise and hosted by Camile Dungy. This episode was produced by Elyse Blennerhassett.

Music in this episode performed and composed by Steve Turre, Lemon Guo, Sophia Shen, Elyse Blennerhassett, Austin Fisher, and Chris Zabriskie.

Shell recordings from Chavin provided by Miriam Kolar and performed by Miriam Kolar, Robert Silva, Ricardo Guerrero La Luna, Riemann Ramirez, Ronald San Miguel, and Tito La Rosa.

Special thanks to Tim Caster, Markus Sesko, John Guy, Maia Nuku, James Doyle, Julia Waterman, Paul Schneider, and Peter Rinaldi.

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