James Whale and immigration lawyer Ivon Sampson debate how to manage borders and migration in the UK. James advocated for stricter border control measures, including drones and naval patrols in the Channel, while Ivon emphasised the need for a comprehensive treaty with the EU.

Ivon also highlighted the importance of knowing who is crossing the border and the potential for terrorism, while Whale dismissed these concerns as a 'pain in the neck.'

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