This is a conversation with Matt Luongo, lead developer of tBTC (https://threshold.network).

We decided to have this chat after exchanging some tweets debating whether or not non-technical crypto users are capable of having valid opinions on DeFi security that devs should take seriously.

We also talk about what recently happened when the "FTX hacker" tried to use tBTC to bridge Bitcoin to BTC, and the difficult choices that Matt's company had to make as this was happening.

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