Tracy Walder went from college kid and sorority member to terrorist tracker at the CIA. Her life took on a surreal quality as she sat in high-security, steel-walled rooms in Virginia, watching al-Qaeda members via drone as President Bush looked over her shoulder and CIA Director George Tenet brought her doughnuts.

In her new book, The Unexpected Spy Walder reveals how she tracked chemical terrorists and searched the world for weapons of mass destruction. In a life that sounds like a tv show…and is actually about to become one… Walder shifted from her undercover overseas life in the CIA to working in counterintelligence in the United States for the FBI.

Spy Museum historian Dr. Vince Houghton joins Walder for a wide-ranging conversation exploring her experiences combating not only terrorism and espionage, but also sexism.

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