Joe Martin is a musician and a pioneer in the emerging use of the so-called 'value 4 value' model for digital product publishing (and likely more in the future).

Joe is about to launch his first full album 'Empty passenger Seat' on May 1st, and has already launched a couple songs from it on Wavelike, a value 4 value platform that makes it easy for listeners to seamlessly send value back to creators.

I'm very interested in the emerging possibilities of the value 4 value model, particularly those recently enabled by bitcoin / the lightning network, so I thought it would be a great time to speak with one of it's earliest pioneers in the music industry.

Enjoy!

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Timeline:

00:00 - Intro
04:36 - Bob Dylan
16:44 - The Experience Of Being A ‘Struggling Musician’
25:00 - Writing Music For Yourself
31:00 - How Much Streaming Platforms Pay Artists & ‘Value 4 Value’
39:00 - Nostr & The Evolution of V4V
55:33 - What Came First, Bitcoin Or V4V?
59:25 - Wavelake
1:04:50 - The New Album ‘Empty Passenger Seat’ & Promotion
1:20:15 - What Joe Most Wants To See Next In Bitcoin
1:24:20 - Closing & Destinations